1982. mike pushes back on this president pretty forcefully. so there are a lots of grownups up at the table. ambassador bolton. you may not like ambassador bolton's politics, may have cared for hr's better but the notion there is nobody at the switch here is completely qualities. >> why talk publicly about this the way president trump is doing, calling him a democrat, saying he knows more about nato in terms of fairness than general mattis. general mattis was a supreme allied commander of transformation for nato. why say things like that publicly? >> because it's probably easier to bully someone into resigning than actually firing them outright. listen, i don't think mattis is going to go, because ag -- attorney general jeff sessions hadn't gone. if you want to stay and fight for their job and dig in their heels and put up with a couple tweets, they will stay in those jobs. otherwise donald trump has to force them to step down, and then go to the public and give reasons. i don't think president trump