contacts and for that matter other countries as well. but the ones that i think certainly bothered me the most and the phrase i would use long ago is that our dashboard warning lights were clearly blinking were the russian contacts. we didn't -- we weren't aware of 16, but there were several at the time contemporaneously, and they did give rise to a concern for what was going on here. >> what made those lights blink? which types of contacts would you find most concerning? all contacts aren't created equal. there could be a meeting on foreign policy, for instance, that would be okay. >> i think it was the number and frequency of them and particu r particularly with russia. to each out to, among all the other countries in our friends and allies, the most troubling