>> i think it's a diplomatic crisis. for this administration because frankly thinkable man is a hostage and so they are asking themselves why have the russians at this point taken in an innocent american and holding him as a spy. it makes no sense. >> is it hard to believe she is an intel agent of the u.s. knowing his background? >> i know russian operations and i know they're run carefully and they don't take contractors, send them to moscow to commit an act of espionage. it doesn't happen. we were talking, it could be a rogue operation but i very much doubt that. >> so his arrest, it come fws t weeks -- alleged russian spy maria butina pleads got trying to infiltrate political circles. we know she is cooperating with investigations into russian interferen