is because of neglect by multiple administrations going back. and i don't think you're going to win. i could be wrong, but i don't think you're going to win an argument to the american public. it's our responsibility to take all of our people -- it's not our responsibility. >> i think you were in the senate when the u.s. passed plan colombia anticipate did a very targeted program to address drug trafficking and narco terrorism in colombia. i think we need to get to the root cause of this humanitarian crisis, which is -- >> it's socialism! that's the root cause. it's venezuela, it's ortega. of course, it is. >> rick, rick -- >> it's a failure of -- >> i'm from nicaragua. i know what's happening in nicaragua. the venezuelans are coming by plane and overstaying their visas in my city, miami. the nicaraguans are mostly coming by plane and overstaying -- >> the wealthy ones are, but the poor are starving. >> they're not walking from the border of venezuela. the problem is guatemala, honduras, and el salvador. it's a problem, because when we