we do know talks between the leadership and the white house completely collapsed. that will be evident in the next hour when chuck schumer, the senate minority leader, goes to the floor of the senate to demand passage of house-passed bills to keep individual agencies open. yesterday house democrats pushed through with the support of just eight republicans in the house, a measure to re-open the treasury department and the irs. that's among the things that chuck schumer will demand a vote on in the senate. that's not going anywhere. senate republican leaders plan to block it from going forward because the president doesn't support it. but the house will still try to move the individual bills. expect the transportation bill today as well as the housing and urban development and the agriculture department bills to open up those agencies. they will come to the floor, pass the house and go nowhere in the senate. behind the scenes there are discussions among republicans to see whether they can cut a big immigration deal to resolve this