having proceedings televised. i think it would be good for the public. >> interesting, right? she was right then. the argument is even stronger today, 25 years later. there should be cameras. there should be televiseing of what goes on in the supreme court of the united states. jeffrey rossen is writing a book conversations with rbg based on talks with the justice. he's known her so long she officiated his wedding. he is president of the constitution center and a professor at george walk law school. i want to ask a hypothetical question, jeffrey. we all wish her good speed. but what's the process when you have a supreme court justice in firm and does not retire. is there any solution to that? >> the process is that she or he has to be persuaded to step down, justice oliver wendell holmes was in his 90s. he refused to step down. his colleagues visited him.