again, another long-term ripple effect of this shutdown. >> finally, i look at technology. post-holiday season, the irs has reported that there is a 60% increase in cyber crime activity that affects individuals. this comes in the form of e-mail scams and in other online, you know, fraud techniques. there has been no one for the last 35 days that have been looking at this. it's a little bit less tangible to put a number to this. the amount of fraud that has occurred towards individuals within the last 35 days i think is very significant. >> so all of that as a result of a, you know, surefire shutdown but then, you know, there's a potential, you know, for another interruption as lawmakers try to work out yet another deal. how much does that potential even make an impact? >> it's a significant impact. i talked to federal employees. they're saying we're going back
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