than -- [ applause ] -- to iowa democrats. to iowa democrats. i want to bring in deb hansen, a retired dental hygienist from johnson, iowa. she's active in the democratic party. deb? >> if you would have to debate the current president, how does that conversation go without becoming reactive? how do you stay on your message and not get caught up in his crazy? >> that's good, deb. that's really good. well, first, it's very important that anyone who presents themselves as a leader and wants to be a leader will speak like a leader. that means speaking with integrity. it means speaking truth. [ applause ] and speaking in a way that expresses and indicates some