talked twice. what will the president take away from this meeting that gets closer to that goal of complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearization? that is a major, major question here. and his own advisers, as we reported leading up to this, concerned lower expectations, one, and concern that the president, in an effort to tout a success, gives a concession that is not justified by what north korea, what kim is giving in return. and that's -- that's an essential point here. >> one last thing. hasn't president trump also changed the benchmarks of success where he says no test something now he just doesn't want test something it used to be denuclearization. >> i think that's so interesting about jim's point there. president went out of his way to point out that the biggest progress we've had, the biggest deliverable is that we have a relationship here, not that there's been a concrete step toward denuclearization. and up until this point the president said all i want is -- or i would be satisfied with no