the campaign says i have no business with russia. this is where the collection of lies comes back and where credibility, you've got to hold them up against each other. >> absolutely. and remember the justice department and michael cohen's own lawyers have a vested interest in ensuring that he remains a credible witness for cooperation going forward both on capitol hill and with the justice department in the special counsel and the prosecutors in the southern direct distric district. they're very much paying attention to what he's saying and make sure he's not saying today that they're not comfortable with him saying. just to sort of emphasize one thing that mj touched on there that i think is important in the trump tower moscow deal -- >> i can jump in here? >> go ahead, jim. >> oh, sorry. go ahead. >> no, no, sciutto go ahead. >> no, no, i apologize. i certainly didn't want to