trump said she knew literally almost nothing about the project and don jr. who told congress that he was only peripherally aware of it and neither of those go with ten briefings and you went on until the president took office. up front now john dean who came up several times due to comments on his program and evan perez and from april ryan and barrett burger, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york harry sandic and author "of the making of donald trump" david k. johnson as we try to understand what happened. john, let me start with you. you said today was a turning point. how? >> well it was certainly a serious punctuation mark on how far it will turn is the remaining question.