ongoing investigation. >> it's not within the province of the president's lawyer to make judgments as to whether the president is going to issue a pardon. >> the president's lawyers speak for the president as rudy giuliani does spsh. >> as it relates to pardons, as it relates to pardons and official conduct that goes on in the white house. the president's lawyers -- personal lawyers do not speak for him as it relates to official white house business. that falls squarely within the province of the white house and the white house employee. >> rudy giuliani makes statements in defense of the president all the time. >> criticized rudy giuliani making statements all the time. he's the president's personal lawyer. he goes out to talk about facts. sometimes his facts aren't exactly on point. here, to hold that -- you know, there is a whole decision-making process that goes into presidential pardons. but the power lies within the president himself, not rudy giuliani.