senator susan collins. >> michael cohen asked for a pardon, i do think that that is problematic because it casts doubt over the veracity of all of his testimony. >> gloria, i know you have new reporting on the pardon discussion. this is really moving target, isn't it? >> it is and it's a very confusing story and i and pamela brown and others in our team have been trying to kind of deconstruct what happened when, because it's very confusing about what exactly was discussed, who was initiating these conversations, and how far they really progressed? i think what we know is that there were a couple of attorney to attorney conversations in which a pardon was raised. the question of a pardon was raised about how michael cohen's case could be resolved, for example, between michael cohen's