oversight, our chairman, mr. cummings, we are deliberately reviewing all of the testimony, including asking the intelligence community -- committee to look at all of the information, because we're going to have to find some truth in this. it's very troubling. because they both are documented liars. and so who is telling the truth? it's like sitting back there saying this is ridiculous, you're both liars. >> okay. so you're absolutely right about that. but to your point there are things michael cohen is saying that could involve criminality on behalf of this president that he is saying he has tumtation for. i want to put the exclamation point on what you are saying. we are not having a discussion about he said, he said and he is a liar. we are do going because there are allegations we need to to find out if they're true from michael cohen. to look into something specific as to whether it's a lie is important in the context.