justice reform. >> yes. >> where our van jones who talked to jared all the time said that he was key. >> yes. >> if not for jared this wouldn't have happened. >> and i say that, i give him credit for that absolutely in the book for the crediting justice reform bill getting that through congress. my admiration, though, is tempered and forgive me my cynicism, because of the obvious self-interest. that is all about his father. so whilst i think it's wonderful that he did that, again, it's all about jared. >> it's something because i was quoting from a spokesperson from his lawyer from outside the white house. and it makes me think that there is an apparatus, a jared and ivanka inch ivanka inc. in washington, the likes of which i've never seen before. they have a spokesperson outside the white house. they had a pr person inside the white house. >> right. >> they had a chief of staff inside the white house. such an unusual machinery. >> and really off-putting machinery, all their -- and very