to see how you could dispute those facts. >> charles, do you agree with that, that that's why he doesn't do it, because he doesn't want to -- european political correctness? >> well, with all due respect, chris, i think we're using too many terms of art. there is -- i don't know how we say someone is playing with race and benefiting from racism and using racism as a tool and say that person is not also racist. right? i'm also dumfounded when people struggle with whether or not this man could be a racist. like what is your definition? if not a hood and a burning cross, that's not a racist -- >> if people aren't actively calling someone n word to their face -- >> walking through the streets of charlottesville saying jews will not replace us -- i really do struggle with this because the mental gymnastics that people go through to not say what is completely obvious that