foreign official in don jr.'s case, a russian lawyer offered dirt, presumably stolen information about an american candidate, this is apples and orange and the president is the trying to suggest to us that an apple is like an orange. it is not. they are different. >> julie, the president also turning his sights as he so often does on speaker of the house nancy pelosi. he called her comments fascist and disgraceful which seems farther than he's gone in the past. pelosi, of course, saying that trump doesn't note difference between right and wrong. who is goading who here, and -- and who is coming out on top? >> well, i think they are both goading each other, but i would say that it seems like nancy pelosi really has gotten under president trump's skin, and we've seen this happen time and again. she made had a comment last night during an interview, you know, he does a lot of projecting. he used the word mashist. when he says nancy is nervous, that means he's nervous and when nancy is a mess, that means he's a mess and that's her way of throwing it back on him, and i