in 2016 as an -- >> calling for revolution. >> he's called for a revolution. a grassroots movement around progressive ideals. to elena's point earlier, he has set the tone for what the democratic field looks like in 2020. >> and it is seductive. it is seductive, especially for democrats, to dream big. one of the disadvantages they have is that when they're picking a candidate, they have to love him or her, and with conservatives or whatever we call the right now -- i just say right and left. i don't even know what the parties represent anymore, but on the right they're about checking boxes and getting the coalition together, being on the team and go. on the left, they got to fall in love. tomorrow night, tonight, nine hours, whatever it is, same suit. who will be your choice to be julian castro? who is going to be the person -- >> the breakout star? you know who we haven't talked about tonight? >> you don't expect. >> i think a lot of people expect this, but we haven't said anything about kamala harris. she's a prosecutor. she clearly knows how to debate. and it will be interesting to