socialism is completely and radicalism completely taken over. >> socialism is toxic. >> toxic. okay. we get it. let's widen out the lens. because in the united states, there is a socialist magazine. it's called jack of them. it's been out for years. jacobin. he book is title the socialist manifesto. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> so what is the parallelism between the rise of socialism in america and the rise of your magazine? >> we have been committed to articulating the kind of politics we think can reach a majority of americans, politics that say there are certain things of life that shouldn't be accidents of birth. there are things we deserve by virtue of being born. obviously, we have grown a lot a thousand subscribers before