much has been said already about the white nationalists, white supremacy motivation killings here in el paso. until now so much was left unsaid, unheard. joining us is university of chicago professor kathleen ballou. you wrote a fascinating piece in "the new york times" about how she's shootings are, quote, planned to incite a much larger slaughter by awakening other people and that's in quotes, awakening other people to join the movement. we're talking about the el paso shooting, the gilroy shooting, not in the dayton shooting can you just explain that? i think that's such an important concept not only in how we cover it but how people think about it that these aren't one-off incidences, these are incidences that are building on each other. >> absolutely. and i think maybe the first