that happens. i mean the staff, the correctional officer, is going to see it as important as the leadership emphasized. >> percy pitzer, we really appreciate it, thank you so much. >> thank you for having for me. let's go to new york. polo sandoval is joining us. so what more are we learning about steps taken, steps not taken, and the consequences? >> well, let's get to that reporting first, fred, coming from my colleague, mark morales, showing epstein was found by himself in that cell early yesterday morning. that certainly could potentially presenting an issue, especially when you hear more of this reporting suggesting those individuals who are in the special housing unit at the metropolitan correctional center here in manhattan have to be checked on every 30 minutes. those guards have to literally make their rounds. now this new reporting suggesting that did not likely happen. the second most disturbing issue that we're getting or bit of