if reagan went to that rally, he would be booed. john kasich would be booed. mitt romney would be booed at that rally. every single principled conservative would be booed at that rally. the first order of paul ryan, who sits on the board of fox news, is to criticize what fox has done. if anybody has propped up donald trump over the course of the last five years, and continues to do, it's fox news. and the one main entity that is propagated the big lie that led to january 6 is fox news. and so if you want to redo the republican party, you've got to start with fox news. >> and the propaganda machine that is driving this messages that people are feeding off of. matthew, great to see you. thank you. governor, thank you again for your time. >> thank you. i'm not giving up. i'm not giving up on principle. >> you don't. i'm the cynical one. you always try to convince me to stop being cynical. thank you, governor.