>> yeah, speaking of cyberattack, potentially starting a war, we saw at nato that the member countries then asserted that a cyberattack could invoke or could trigger article v, the collective defense, you attack one, you attack all. jim, from your perspective, could there be progress there on cybersecurity, as jill says, out front, putin will talk tough. is there a deal to be made, especially for these groups that have attacked jbs and colonial over the last several months? >> doubtful, yet just in the last 24, 48 hours you heard putin in public interviews denying that russia was responsible for these attacks. right? both sides have, you know, at least talked about establishing some sort of rules of the road for cyber warfare, which frankly, happens in both directions, right, both for espionage and other reasons, but will they come to some sort of agreement to define the rules of the game the way you had, for