s corporations, s chapter corporation in america and we have 56,000 in my home state of utah alone. these are small companies who want the legal protections that incorporating provides. these are family farmers. ranchers, mom and pop stores and other small businesses. before the citizens united decision, these small family businesses could be barred from using their regular budget for, say a radio program or even a pamphlet opposing their congressman for his vote on a bill if it was that close to an election. do you believe that is the constitution gives the federal government this much power? >> senator hatch, congress determined the corporations and trade unions generally had this kind of corrupting impact on -- >> i'm talking about all of these 4.5 million small corporations, as well. >> senator hatch, of course, in the solicitor general's office we defend statutes and congress determined --