ticket, rich, for 2012. >> we're getting a little ahead of ourselves there, but martha, that poll is just another sign, and there's been a lot of data to this effect, the center of gravity in american politics has shifted to the left -- sorry, to the right, pretty significantly. >> no, you were right, to the left! >> pretty significantly over the last 18 months. so what was plausible and politically convenient, you no e. in the fall of '08 -- you know, in the fall of '08 is a very different story now. martha: kirsten, want to weigh in on the bachmann-palin possibility? >> i'm all for it, i would love that. but i think the other thing, there's a gallup poll actually out showing the democrats doing better in a democratic matchup and the key point is independents who are moving towards the democrats, so it depends on which poll you look at. martha: let's pull that poll up again, because i think i read it backwards. a 53 percent less likely. so of voting for a candidate
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