recovery operation that the firefighters were through. it brought me comfort. it let me know that through all of thi journal i and t bodies and parts we wer picking up and putting in body bags, that it gave us a symbol of hope and helped us to carry on and i felt that was important to humanity. >> mike: it was a remarkable find, frank, thank you very much for being here today. [applause] >> also, with us is richard sheerer, the director of the mayor's office of emergency management. and he was the one who coordinated the response effort at ground zero. richard, it's great having you here today, thank you very much. [applause] >> when you heard about the cross at ground zero, you were taken by it just as frank was. >> yeah, and when you look at jordan, who is an amazing t.priest, had it right. it's a symbol for a religions, that's what it was, and we all know that the cross
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