there is more of a presence. that we don't intend to win it by all-out warfare. special operation mushtarak ration, done at night, are done with great care. when there is a botched effort it comes at a cost. it understand that. but our entire effort is based on petraeus being a fabulous man in a difficult situation. if you have karzai as an unreliable partner but critic it's more difficult. >> if you go to woodrow's book that how they thought karzai was unstable and perhaps still do. what about the caris caris