i ask that you would consider a challenge in your own life. we were just talking in the break and i want to get the story that you want to get to here with my wife tanya. we were just talking to pat in the break. pat you said -- well, say it again. >> in the beginning when i was saying glenn, it doesn't have to be this hard. when you were going through whatever you were going through. >> glenn: alcoholism. >> whatever, i said you don't have to put yourself through this. you weren't interested. you just weren't interested. >> glenn: i could ask you, is it normal for someone in my position to actually want him to fail a little bit? i wanted him to be wrong. i wanted him to fail. is that normal? >> sure. >> glenn: i really hurt his feelings when i told him that years later, i was hoping he would kind of fail, because it would make me not have to listen to his answers, which i didn't want to because they were hard. >> when you know you're on the
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