died on board panam jet over lockerbie. traced back to libyan terrorists. one man was convicted as you know. does human rights watch get involved with this terrorism stuff? because i say to my audience, the reason i support this action on behalf of the united states, and it is costing us a tremendous amount of money, is because qaddafi is a terrorist. and he needs to be taken into custody and held accountable for what he did on that panam incident. does human rights watch measure that? >> we absolutely measure terrorism. and counter terrorism. and we judge both by the standards of international law, international humanitarian law. terrorism is any attack against civilians, typically politically motivated. and it is something we condemn in the strongest terms. there is never any justification to attack a civilian for any reasons whatsoever. politically motivated or otherwise. >> bill: when you see somebody
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