he does this is a national security need is -- [ inaudible ] i think it is inexcusable that our president won't come up here and look. >> greta: how far are we from anwr now? >> just about 10 miles west. it is on the other side of the river here. >> greta: it struck me that it is flat. there's not a lot of -- i didn't see a lot of animal life many how far south is it like this? what is the terrain like? >> before we get into the mountain range. with when you see pictures of anwr in the mountains and moose, i don't see that anywhere here or to the north of us. >> you can look 60 miles south and still see what we are seeing. todd is suggesting that the fundraiser pictures and the websites that show waterfalls and moose and mountain ranges and sheep that's not the real anwr. there are some out of 20 million acres set aside in