morning about 7:00 in the morning. and basically just wanted to tell him that i loved him at that time and he professed at that moment that they didn't do anything, none of them did anything wrong. and then i told him about the outpouring of love and support. it almost brought him to tears. he was so grateful. and then the next time on thanksgiving day we were able to speak to him for -- my husband and i were both on the phone and at that point in time i was at home so he called on our home phone and we were both on the phone. it was great because kevin is like put it on speaker, put it on speaker. and derek chuckled because he was so happy that his dad was so excited to hear from him, like we wouldn't all be. and he told us a little bit more about where they were staying, the holding cell, the police station, and what was happening and how grateful he was that the release order was signed and he didn't know at that point in time that it may take all the