defeated jimmy carter one because the economy was bad and the other because he kicked his butt in the debate did he not? >> he did. bare in mind how incredibly unusual it is for you to go through the talking point memo you went to earlier about what obama's campaign is going to be like. you are correct. he is the incumbent. he forgets about his record. is he not defending anything he has done. >> he is not running on the economy. he is not running on obama care. like this is his first race for president. he woke up one morning and said i would like to be president and this guy -- >> bill: if you were advising barack obama you wouldn't advise him to run on obama care or economics or the gas. you would advise exactly what i said in the talking points memo demonize this guy as a rich out-of-touch guy who doesn't care but. >> that's not what i would advise him to do. >> bill: what would you advise him to do. >> what i told clinton to do run on your record but move the record to the center. >> bill: he can't. gas prices have doubled under his watch. how are you going to move