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>> john: no they have to pay extra to keep good workers. she started working here when she was 13. >> at 13 i was making a good amount of money. minimum wage is fine. >> john: now she makes as much as $20 an hour. >> if you work hard you can make more. you have to prove yourself. >> john: but minimum wage been what some politicians wanted -- kelsey may never have that chance. >> i can make money paying $6 an hour but i can't make it 7.25, i won't expand. >> if the cost of expanding workers is too much for you to absorb, then you probably don't have the best business model going. >> john: then you deserve to fail? how does that help. >> what could be more cruel than to raise your rate artificially

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