had the internet. the anonymous movement, the hackers, the hacktivists were center of this movement along with the labor unions. you couldn't have the occupy movement if you didn't have the internet. the anonymous group is really part of the untold story here. they're a central part of this occupy movement. >> greta: david, i haven't seen much about occupy wall street lately. it seems like it was very -- i mean, i read a lot about it, heard a lot bit a year ago, but don't see much bit now. >> just today they're here in washington, d.c., blocking "k" street. i mean, they're still there. they're still trying. their numbers may have dwindled over the last year, but i really think -- i think steve and i agree on this -- that they look at this as a marathon, not a sprint that this is really the warm-up for their marathon, when austerity comes, major budget cuts come, they'll be back in