groups and i think that's exactly what they're trying to do now, make sure that the president governs as far to the left as he ran in 2012 and i think it pulled him further to the left, they'd love to do that. >> megyn: and another time that the strong liberal groups have joined together to get what they want when they formed health care for america now, and that worked out pretty well for them. so they have a pretty good track record when they get together like this. those are big goals, getting big money out of politics? i mean. >> the irony what are they going to do to do it? they're going to use their big money to get big money out of politics. primarily conservative big money and business big money. >> megyn: got a couple of years until the next presidential election, a little less until we get to those 2014 mid terms, can you believe we're already talking about that. thank you, steve. and coming up, joint chief colin powell, joint chief chair, made news yesterday when he blasted his own party as having a quote, dark vein