don't have now, now we have bureaucrats who can't make a distinction between who needs a kick in the pants. we'll put them back in the venue of human relationships whereby you can apply the feedback loops of incentives and app row bags and disdain and stigma and all the rest which can make these problems solvable. >> and this audience is different from most in that they understand that before the welfare state, there were mutual aid societies everywhere which helped people. larry, tell us about that. >> absolutely. there's nothing about being a politician that makes you more compassionate and caring than the people who send you there. >> compassionate with other people's money. >> absolutely. i start from the premise, it's not the business of the government to redistribute our stuff. it's the business of the -- [ applause ] of government to protect our liberty. >> and in rome when they gave