nature of the contracts. did they promise to deliver a particular product within a particular period of time at a particular cost where they could do cost overruns? >> these are all things that should be looked into. again, if it could be done in a fairly nonpartisan way, which i don't nurture much hopes of, but could be. these are questions that should be asked and deserve answers. it goes way beyond. this i the government contracting process. >> don't get me started on that. it's a nightmare. there is not much appetite to clean that up. it goes across almost every agency. all right. when should we have known that there was a problem? >> i don't know. i'm not close enough to it. i will say this though. i think there is enough time to get the site fixed and if the site is fixed, i think we can -- those of us who were for the affordable care act can can all look back on this thing and joke around about it as to how bad it was when it first came out if it's fixed. on the other hand, if it's