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regime that's sponsoring genocide in syria. they should have demanded the pastor be released up front as a sign of good faith to show they actually mean they're going to start changing their society. you don't change these societies' behaviors where religious freedom is the canary in the coal mine by just coming to the table. you have to demand good faith up front. will: the new leader, rouhani, he's said to be a moderate in public, and as a result, you believe christians are in a worse environment now in iran than they have in some time. explain that. >> bill, it's not only my belief, it's what's been happening. protestants especially in the last six months since rouhani -- the so-called moderate who's simply just another tool of the supreme council there -- has basically been imprisoning more christians. abedini himself has gone to the more violent prison and has been tortured. and you have prisoners like husseini, haqqani, porteo,

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