no, no, it's got to be even. what am i supposed to do, if it's even and a guy is coming around -- i stop him? what are you talking about? this is the worse thing -- if kids don't want to compete, let them become bakers. i don't care. >> you got to compete at baking. >> don't make your kid play ball but if the kid plays ball or whatever, make sure he wants to win, because if you think you are going to teach a five or six or seven or eight-year-old that it doesn't matter to win and they are going to somehow decide they want to be very successful once they get out of school you are out of your mind, what you are teaching them then is qog to build upon what, pajama boys. >> dana, you told me a story too -- >> when i lived in england, i got both of the papers and i would read them, one of stories