evaluate the safety of gmos. that's flat out wrong. >> you say this is new. what you mean by that, for years we've had genetic modification, but it's done by cross breeding. >> these new techniques that allow you to move genetic material between organisms that haven't before, that's what we're talking about. >> i would think it was more precise than cross breeding. they made it and you see what you got. >> it's more precise is that you can move one or two genes. you have no control over where you're inserting that genetic material. if you have no control, it can have different effects depending on the location. >> that's just not right. it's a real misrepresentation of it. let me give you an example. you probably like ruby red