we would go to in particular mt. rushmore and also the black hills area. it's in south dakota just across the border, 80 miles east. the flintstones national park? it's right there. and it's closing after this year. so get there soon because you can actually drive a car and things like that. >> eric? >> every year -- we didn't have a lot of money. we drove from chicago to miami. it was one week. >> did you have air conditioning? >> i don't remember. i don't think we did. >> probably not. >> roll the windows down. i remember it was 17 hours. we would try to go straight through, mom and dad would switch off driving. when we got there, in miami there's an old hotel called the thunderbird hotel. make a long story short. about a year ago they just redid the thunderbird hotel and it's beautiful right now on south beach. >> we were very modest means. and we didn't -- i remember only one vacation, a camping vacation upstate new york. what we did, my dad built a homemade swimming pool in the