>> she talked about the plane. she is much more classy about it than jindal is. jindal said trump looks like he has a squirrel on his head. carlie is approaching this differently. i think that's going to help her out. that said, of course there is going to be mudslinging, these guys going after trump have to be careful because rick perry had a very public spar with him didn't turn out so hot. >> if you i said this stuff in the seventh grade, first of all my parents would have been scandalized. the nuns, they would have taken out the ruler. this is such a different -- i mean. >> afraid you are giving too much credit 7th grade for the 2016 presidential race. >> like internet counter speeches written by internet -- >> i think fiorina is tough. smart argument to make for her. also made that against hillary clinton you can't just be secretary of state and be anointed. i think fiorina is going to be a big factor in this coming debate. >> i would stay out of it look, donald trump is going up in the polls and he is doing well, it's fine.