this. okay i will get that. but let's look at the money on this side of this. because i'm wondering if using it on a computer is smart money. smart way to use this money. so in face cal 2014, $27 million, this upstart program costs $5.3 million in 2015. so, the money is not there for these programs. >> i agree. i mean i wouldn't spend money on this program. you can do it for free online yourself. i mean there's so many things that the parents -- >> what about khan academy. >> you can do stuff for free. i would spend the money on preschool absolutely, the studies show it works, it helps socialize the kids, get them ready for kindergarten. how do we even know the parents are going to do it? >> well, they do regulate -- >> these teachers know when you have a kindergarten teacher, you talk any kindergarten teacher they can tell the kids that have been socialized and gone to preschool and interacted with other kids, and then they get these kids who have like never left the house and show up in kindergarten and it's totally different level of playing field for these kids. >> that's right. and they all have to interact
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