people to turn out at the caucuses. those people may show up on their own. you have to have an organization. train people how to get out to caucuses. had people drawn big crowds before and not ended up winning iowa caucus. martha: we have the national spokeswoman for the trump campaign. good to see you this morning. >> good to see you, martha. martha: you heard the charge from karl rove. you guys are turning out massive crowds which everybody season television but you're not using crowds in terms of crowds, polling their data, knowing who exactly they are and you don't have a strong program turning people into caucus supporters which takes three or four hours on cold afternoon in iowa? >> well we do have a very good infrastructure in the state of iowa. i'm not quite sure why karl rove thinks he knows anything about the internal mechanism of the trump campaign considering his last couple of efforts in the election cycles haven't turned out his own voters to the polls. we're not really concerned about that. i will note even "politico"
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