claim that the russias tampered with voting machines or ballots or anything like that. the claim that the main street media, mainstream media doesn't seem to make clear is, oh, my goodness, they released e-mails that are of the dnc people talking to each other, correct? >> well, i don't expect an authoritarian society to have much of an insight into how to affect elections. to me, it's far less relevant whether they had an impact than whether they tried. think back to 1941. if japan attacked pearl harbor but all its bombs and torpedoes would miss, we would be thankful for that but nonetheless concerned about the attack itself. >> right, but are you suggesting that they tried to do more than just release e-mails? because julian assange of