they paid for those books to be published and then they actually paid for journalist to read and take seminars on those books to spread the gospel, as it will work. this is the worst pseudo-intellectual pay for play. >> tucker: because he has not been published in academic journals and has not passed to the gauntlet of other professors -- by that standard, plato, aristotle, socrates, none of them i recall publishing in academic journals. is there writing also out of bounds on drexel's campus? >> i think the question is really also about the content of these writings. it defined as a white nationalist by the southern poverty law center, somebody who burned crosses in his youth and went on to -- support -- >> tucker: let me stop you there. he burned crosses in his youth?