create a moderate sunni opposition on the ground? isis -- assad and russia have been bombing the heck out of the moderate opposition. assad's brutality has created a radicalizing dynamic. al qaeda and isis have a huge stronghold there. you need to beat them back and create a better proxy force on the ground. easier said than done. >> shannon: good to see you both. thank you. >> bill: one of the big messages in italy before he flew to moscow was our own national u.s. interests and what tillerson talked about was the danger of chemical weapons if left unguarded in syria, which has been the case after the agreement the obama administration reached 3 and a half and a half years ago. what's the possibility they fall into the hands of isis or al qaeda? we're watching that now.