someone like donald trump. they feel like they are outsiders and there is a tendency to not want people to have some kind of loyalty to the insider lobbyist class writing the donor class, et cetera. that's what people want. they want this outsider. however, i have to say in terms of what donald trump has done to bring real change to d.c., i haven't seen it there either. steve: i actually agree. i said the first time i was on the show, we'll hold him to account. kimberly: i'm not interested in turning this into a republican versus a democratic theme. the conversations needs to be about who are these people? if they were donald trump, i would say fantastic, i'm not that party but he's draining the swamp. i think the american people want that outsider perspective.