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testify? >> is there anything to infer? >> that's he's not coming across as forthright. >> it is a good question. clearly this is not a pleasant time in mr. simpson's career. nobody wants to testify before the senate judiciary committee under oath. and the fact his company does opposition research means if he faced a burge of tough questions from the senate -- if he faced a bunch of tough questions from the senate he might have to reveal what he believes are important trade secrets. we know simpson has worked with former spies. we know one of his clients was the law firm that represented a major russian company prevezon in a high-profile court case that played out in the southern district of new york. so simpson is in possession of tons of interesting newsworthy information that he clearly doesn't want to share. that doesn't necessarily mean he did anything wrong. but it doesn't rule it out either. arthel: so betsy, as the goal is resolution in the russia investigation, how big is this leak? you know, simpson may not be there, but in the hot seat for

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