government to exert more power over them. >> so you have to look at the ways we can secure the bored. what ali said is we need technical infrastructure. we tried that. it was a failure. but what we have seen is physical barriers. jesse: what wait that was tried? >> it was called fbi net. it was supposed to be all of these radars that were supposed to detect things that would come across and it didn't work. but what has worked is physical barriers. if we put the proper physical barriers in the proper location that allow me the border patrol to dictate where the smugglers bring in their product. we'll be able to put a dent in their product and hopefully put them out of business. jesse: he'll be able to funnel